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frustrated yes we are tired and we

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reject the pre-approved tranquilizers

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hiding stop hiding behind the headphone

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to the cherry popper 4/20 username let

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the world see that the resistance is

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strong and society is changing

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there was a time to be anonymous and

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conspiracies as the dawning of this new

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the revolution because bold fashion

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lead dress for Atlanta sleeping fellow

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having the balls to reject socially

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uncomfortable and unpopular truths from

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appear to use dotnet let him know that

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browser go to podcast Awards calm THD is

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people tonight we find ourselves on the

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eve of a national election a mile marker

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and directors of reality plotting out

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mind - Hollywood pop stars rise and fall

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trigger waiting for their brain to

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scream action from the dark recesses of

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their subconscious well today's guest

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has been a large chunk of his life

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exploring the depths of what he calls

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this high weirdness for decades writing

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articles of nearly every underground

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magazine counterculture publication and

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conspiracy website imaginable a

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self-described crackpot historian and

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author of several books most notably its

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work on Charles Manson the connection of

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the deeper conspiracy

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he's a gonzo journalist the conspiracy

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community and I become a huge fan as of

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late Adam go rightly say hello to the

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people hello people and thanks for being

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here yeah you're you have written on a

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ton of alternative topics UFOs black

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magic the Montauk Project the list goes

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on and I definitely appreciate your

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lesson serious style of writing let's

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start with one of my favorite articles

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that you've written which is an

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interpretation of Kubrick's Eyes Wide

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Shut because I always I grew up as a as

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different things so you know the

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techniques that were imported from the

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Nazis you know Brian Project Paperclip

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thing became in decay ultra and a

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spin-off of that allegedly is monarch

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mind control programming I first became

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exposed to a lot of this stuff through a

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book came out in the late 70s by Walter

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Bullard entitled operation mind control

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you from Olympia with that title yeah

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I've heard the title I've never read the

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book but I've heard the title and I've

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heard it talked about a lot but I guess

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monarch is like a sexual twist on

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MKULTRA well when he published that book

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caused the story wasn't talking about

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monarch at that point but then all of a

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sudden all the copies vanished somebody

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bought him up it was probably a

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government job didn't want some of this

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information released but then in the

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late 90s came out with his second

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edition of the US operations and mind

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control that's where I first read about

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a lot of the monarch revelations and

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that one of the he this used people's

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initials as his sources but one of his

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sources who he called Oh later turned

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out to be Cathy O'Brien

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if you feel with that name she's one of

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the first people that came out talking

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about monarch as far as I could tell

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there's also somebody named Bryce Taylor

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that was a pseudonym and so this monarch

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you know according to the witnesses the

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victims was spinoff of MKULTRA and use

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different types of programming and such

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as a Wizard of Oz imagery in these type

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of things to create they're basically

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altars in their victims different

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personalities that they could use to be

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assassins and drug couriers

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and different things and so I got

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interested in the systems of the late

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90s and it seemed like this that's when

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they first started talking about and all

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of a sudden you heard Oh suddenly people

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came out and we're talking that they've

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been monarch victims and if you look if

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you continue to follow the trend it's

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just X potentially grew since that time

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much like when people started first

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being regressed for UFO abduction yeah

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UFO abductions that seemed also to take

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off during a certain period in the late

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70s to mid 80s and a something similar

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now is this super soldier or serious

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stories you're hearing about I just a

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few years ago there was a guy named

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Aaron the coulomb who came out talking

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about this and all the sudden you have

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all kinds of super soldiers popping up

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so anyway I delved into all this a lot

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of this monarch program and how monarch

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works they would allegedly take children

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at the time of birth and initiate them

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into this monarch programs and the

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parents were all involved in this and it

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the name that you know the it's alleged

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that the Illuminati are behind all of

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this that super see

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organization that stright in our face I

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guess with all the imagery we see

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intergenerational program that who knows

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goes how far back and that's kind of the

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the monarch programming they use these

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different subliminal in images and

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messages done like movies to program

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this process and they'll use use these

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things in the monarch programming and

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supposedly from what I've read in these

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books The Wizard of Oz is used a lot in

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this programming so with that background

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in mind when I saw Eyes Wide Shut I

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started seeing all kinds of imageries

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and hints and winks to you know The

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Wizard of Oz with it within the film and

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I thought is this some type of

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programming tool you know are they using

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Eyes Wide Shut was what's his name

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Stanley Kubrick using this sort of as

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the revelation of the method I'm Sharif

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heard that term and so just going

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through the film I can take you through

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a few scenes if you'd like to that's

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known out some of the Wizard of Oz

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imagery the first thing that you see in

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the movie there's this little lavish

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party that's hosted by some bigwig named

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Ziegler and he's actually played by

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Sydney [\h__\h] in the film he was a

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director he directed I believe Kramer vs

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Kramer and different movies and so we

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see he at this party Tom Cruise

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character there and he's dr. bill refer

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to him as dr. bill is at this party and

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he finds himself seduced by two

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beautiful models as they called him

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remind me to talk about models in a

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minute because the term the term models

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is kind of a

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code word and so they're kind of leading

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him him to an apparent in Managua and

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when dr. bill asked them where they're

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taking him they as a leading way by his

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arm an army sent they tell him where the

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rainbow ends hmm that's interesting so

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that appeared to be an allusion to mana

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or programming later on after that scene

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oh there's also an interesting scene in

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there where the beautiful young lady

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who's nude in the guy who's hosting the

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party Ziglar in his bathroom she's

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OD'ing

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and so dr. bill comes and he's able to

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revive her so just keep in mind that you

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know the drug addiction is another

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common modus operandi in the control of

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these monarch sex slaves so the women at

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these parties it's kind of inferred that

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they're these type of programmed sex

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slaves and so you know with this whole

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monarch programming it's it's

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interesting that just just going back

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you know allegedly deals with

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programming boys and girls and they're

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their roles and by using sexual

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molestation another trauma section such

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as satanic ritual abuse as part of the

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programming and so oftentimes the family

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members are used in this progress this

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process so moving on we see the next

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allusion to the Wizard of Oz when dr.

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bill he's going to some party so he goes

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to run a cloak and mask from a place

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costume store called rainbow costumes

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which happens to be located above

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another shop called under the rainbow

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not sure what to make of all this but it

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seems keeps popping up now at this

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costume shop he's dealing with an owner

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there and the owner catches his under

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each daughter half-nude with two parent

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drag queens and becomes visibly upset

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then in a later scene the shop owner

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doesn't about-face and the ends up

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pimping out his daughter to these Danish

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drag queens and he tries to arrest

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well so there's this transformation we

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see there and a lot of times though the

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monarch programmers or the people do

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program will talk about transformation

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as being in a trance that was the name

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of Kathy O'Brien's book transformation

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in America so in the film there's this

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transformation of father to pimp and

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daughter to prostitute and this is part

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of that monarch symbolism which is one

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of transformation of the caterpillar and

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the butterfly and it's kind of a mocking

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irony you know because a butterfly is

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seen as this creature of

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transformational beauty mm-hmm

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so to me that appears to be part of the

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deception of this programming to dilute

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its victims and to believing they've

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been transformed into something magical

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if fully run ball follow the yellow

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brick road which you know this this

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twilight language that a lot of

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researchers who have looked into this

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talk about like Michael Anthony Hoffman

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and James Shelby Downard this twilight

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language embedded as a form of mocking

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wordplay you know used in a symbolic and

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subliminal fashion at first now going

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back to the model the you know they call

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these women's mock models in this movie

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going back to Walter Bart in his book

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operation mind control he referred to

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another book which is very rare and it

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still might be difficult to find called

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the control of candy Jones by a guy

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named Donald Bain you familiar with that

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book at all that I'm not familiar with

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now she was supposedly the first

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quote/unquote presidential model

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as they called them part of the MK ULTRA

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program candy Jones was married to a guy

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named Long John nibble and for those of

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you who are into this type of podcasting

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and radio going back way before art bell

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before Billy Goodman going way back

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there was a guy guy in the 50s 60s look

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named Long John Neville and he was he

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had an all-night show in New York over a

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big radio station as W NBC and it

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broadcast across the country he was into

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interviewing UFO saucer people and just

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an arresting guest long John Neville you

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can if you do some searching and find

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some of his old broadcasts here and

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there

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I got a collection of them but anyway he

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married a lady in candy Jones who had

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been a model and a dancer and this and

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that and she helped him with his radio

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program and she also had split

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personality she seemed to go into you

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know much like Sybil from the movie so

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all John Neville didn't know quite what

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was going on to her so he with her so he

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took her to a psychotherapist or a

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hitman the hypnotist and they put her

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under regression and under that it was

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revealed that she was a victim of an

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MKULTRA program and she was one of the

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first presidential models who was used

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as a drug mule not a drug mule that's

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some of the other motor people but as a

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courier message courier for intelligence

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agencies and also as a sex toy of the

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rich and famous politicians and whatnot

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and that's what they happily say how how

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the Monarchs slaves were used nowadays

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in the books

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what's your name Cathy O'Brien the

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others that such people is Ronald Reagan

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and Bob Hope and even the

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on an honor all using these monarch

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controlled sex slaves so that's where

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the term presidential model comes in

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they say some suggest that Marilyn

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Monroe was one of those presidential

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models yeah that's actually another

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really weird angle to the mind

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controlled sex slave is that they

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sometimes are turned into Hollywood

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stars and music stars and mm-hmm

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that seems like doesn't that seem a

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little risky isn't it an unnecessary

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risk when you can just you know kill

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them and go get another kid oh yeah it

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would seem so but who knows and I don't

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know what to make of a lot of this stuff

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really some month like I was a

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correspondent and friends with Jim Keith

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who wrote a lot of great conspiratorial

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books and died under mysterious

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circumstances a decade ago or so but he

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brought up and this pretty evident to a

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lot of people that yes indeed there has

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been MKULTRA and these shenanigans that

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have gone on are still probably going on

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but to cover the tracks of the

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perpetrators you always have these red

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herrings this stuff thrown into them

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mixed to just confuse the matter all the

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more and to murky the water so everybody

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will think that it's all a bunch of

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nonsense to begin with and so there's

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there's all this myth misinformation out

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there you know or seeming this

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information yeah I mean that seems to be

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the biggest challenge is you've got

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first you got the disinformation then

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you've got the people who just want

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attention it really makes it tough to

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cut through and find something

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legitimate yeah and even in my own life

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I think I've been messed with and

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tampered with and it's I don't want to

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sound like an foaming it out journey but

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yeah you written about that a little bit

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yeah let's talk about that I mean you've

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written a lot of pieces and a lot of

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subjects been involved in the conspiracy

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community for a while and it's always

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odd

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some people seem to die under mysterious

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circumstances while some people are you

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know allowed to just go on for four

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years and years yeah but what have you

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experienced in that kind of realm of

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being messed with well first of all my

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own mind to make myself feel better

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about doing this and not go paranoid and

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there were times when I started going

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down that path I try to keep up

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perspective and sense of humor and even

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delude myself to thinking that those out

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there that are doing bad deeds or

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monitoring us they find my work amusing

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so they let me carry on when I was

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really got into heavily researching all

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the mind-control stuff when I was

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writing the manson book on manson the

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shadow over santa susana like magic mind

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control the manson family mythos and i

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started that project originally I was

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just looking there was all these rumors

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of mind control around the Manson family

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so that's kind of how I started that

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project and evolved into the book but

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during that period there was someone I

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remember some odd things happening one

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this happened like on at least four

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occasions twice when I was at home and

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twice in a Mexican restaurant when I was

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at home I was sitting in the same spot

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and at the Mexican restaurant I was

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interesting Lee sitting at the same

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table and I felt my body temperature go

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up and my head felt like was about ready

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to explode I was just in a hotty

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temperature wina who knows my wife was

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looking at me look doll word Wow turn

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read what the hell's going on I don't

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know you know they start kind of

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freaking out then after a couple minutes

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it would subside and go away and that

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happened on a few occasions and I you

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know in my paranoid conspiratorial part

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of my mind thinking somebody be mean

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some microwave weapon on me of course I

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saw a lot of the

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mind control you know people who say

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they're being mind-controlled now

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they're using this type of electronic

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harassment so I was kind of a weird

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thing I could've ate something maybe

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that caused that or but I've never had

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that happen before since it was

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interesting I was sitting the same place

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on you know these different occasions

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like somebody could have been something

439
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through a window you hear the stuff who

440
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knows I don't know it's not totally

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possible I mean when when researchers

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come down with cancer you know it could

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be years of manipulation from behind the

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scenes yeah and so that happened that

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was probably in the late 90s and we talk

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about people mysteriously dying I was uh

447
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I wrote a book about Carrie Thornley and

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I was in contact with the guy named Ron

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bonds who ran aluminate press he

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familiar with them from back in the day

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I'm impressed no I'm not that was the

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going that was the conspiracy publisher

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is a good guy out of it Lana Georgia

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that era published all of Jim Keith's

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book okay

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and Jim Keith was good friends with Ron

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bonds in fact at the time of his death

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he and Ron bonds were working real

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closely and they were going to publish

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Carrie thorn Lee's JFK assassination

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book they had published Nidal know how

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familiar you are with Jerry Carrie

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Thornley they had published carry form

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Lee's other books as well the idol

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lawyers and Zen are key so those are all

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those got key three players with the

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luma net press and they all died within

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about a year of each other in the late

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90s under odd circumstances Kerry died

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of a rare disease Jim Keith was at the

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Burning Man festival out there in the

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desert jumped off the stage and and

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broke his leg or injured his knee and

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went in for surgery and died under

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surgery when a blood clot went to his

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brain and Ron Ron bonds the publisher of

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Illumina press

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died of food poisoning during the same

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period and some people subscribe to

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conspiracy it's interesting those three

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guys all died at the same time that is

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suspicious yeah and I'm doing more I'd

483
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encourage folks if this area of inquiry

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interests you check out my book the

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prankster in the conspiracy it's the

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story of Carrie Thornley and that's a

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whole nother ball of wax there to get

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into but as far as this thing of being

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monitored and harassed I'm thinking of

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few other things I what incident

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interesting when I was I knew Robert

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Anton Wilson and I interviewed him for

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my book on Carrie Thornley because they

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were friends at one time and they were

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players back in the dam the Discordian

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society movement kind of a spoof

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religion Carrie Thornley claimed that he

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was subject just this type of harassment

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MKULTRA mind control and I will

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interviewed Robert Anton Wilson it dr.

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on this all around some time in 2000

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with me there great Bishop recorded the

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interview for me then he took it home he

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was going to edit it put it on cassette

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tape for me you know so period of time

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passed probably a month or two and I say

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hey great when you get me that Wilson

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taken so okay I'm working on here I'll

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get it to you shortly just hang on it's

510
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okay I'll give him some time you know

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it's a busy man

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I wait you know next time I talked to

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Greg a couple months or whatever right

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you're gonna when you're gonna get that

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Wilson tape to me man I got to get get

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going on the book hearing he goes well I

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sent it out a a couple weeks ago I

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thought thinking what I had it by now oh

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sure and I wanna

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okay so didn't show up pretty much wrote

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it off you know okay I had in my head a

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lot of the conversations and whatnot so

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right thought hey was it wasn't meant to

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be that's I got it

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keep the perspective sometimes six

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months later it might even been longer

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than that might have been a year it was

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quite a while the tape finally showed up

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with a kitchen it was in had obviously

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been opened

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so somebody intercepted it listen to it

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finally rerouted to me they probably

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tried to listen to and the quality was

534
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real bad I had to struggle to do I

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forget no kind of quarter grade was

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using but that was one instance but it

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was interesting I talked to Wilson a few

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times on the phone and it was always

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obvious that his line was tapped and he

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was being monitored and he knew this the

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he knows on his email listen II used to

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send out emails to a group and you

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familiar with the Office of Information

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Awareness I've heard it thrown around

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00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:25,160
before well it was a government agency

546
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:29,270
that was started post 9-11 by DARPA they

547
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:31,790
got going on this and it was headed up

548
00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:34,910
by John Poindexter was involved in I

549
00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:36,700
forget what all Bush and Reagan

550
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:39,350
administration he's a heavy intelligence

551
00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:42,890
guy it was basically and if you look at

552
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:44,540
the symbol for the Office of Information

553
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:48,010
Awareness and the initials of that or I

554
00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:52,490
a Oh which is like a Kirlian part of the

555
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:54,740
Crowley and ritual chant a lot of people

556
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,010
point to that but if you look at the

557
00:28:03,310 --> 00:27:59,600
symbol the logo they came up with it's

558
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:03,320
the eye of the pyramid with a kind of

559
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:05,450
laser beam shooting at it it looks just

560
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:07,190
like the cover of Robert Anton Wilson

561
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:10,010
and Bob shames me Who am I not astrology

562
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:13,930
so this agency was put together for

563
00:28:19,630 --> 00:28:17,600
monitoring doing domestic sir

564
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,640
it's another agency there was such an

565
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:23,120
outcry with the public that this agency

566
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:26,440
like disappeared or reconstituted as

567
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:30,169
something else during this period where

568
00:28:34,570 --> 00:28:32,510
they have watched the Office of

569
00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:34,580
Information over there so John

570
00:28:43,270 --> 00:28:38,630
Poindexter was the head Robert Anton

571
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:43,280
Wilson used to CC all his email messages

572
00:28:49,419 --> 00:28:47,270
to John Poindexter yeah and I got these

573
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:49,429
and I talked to him on the phone said

574
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:52,130
Bob why the hell you doing with that and

575
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:53,990
he said I figure they're monitoring all

576
00:28:59,230 --> 00:28:57,020
my messages anyway might as well check

577
00:29:01,600 --> 00:28:59,240
yeah just make it easy for them and

578
00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:01,610
maybe this eliminated job and you know

579
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:05,990
cut down on taxpayers at four next for a

580
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,230
position within this agency so he was

581
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:11,120
another fellow and there's a few of the

582
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:16,130
folks these are all sixties kind of free

583
00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:18,820
thinkers libertarian radicals

584
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:21,380
involved the anti-war movements the

585
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:23,390
Robert Anton Wilson xand few other

586
00:29:30,490 --> 00:29:25,610
people like Louisa Lisa I interviewed

587
00:29:32,919 --> 00:29:30,500
and other Associates of a Carey floor

588
00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:32,929
Lee and a lot of times talking to they

589
00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:35,150
mature the tell-tale click I can you

590
00:29:42,909 --> 00:29:39,020
know I know that sound a phone is bugged

591
00:29:45,399 --> 00:29:42,919
and so these are in its instances of I

592
00:29:48,690 --> 00:29:45,409
felt like I was being monitored a lot of

593
00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:48,700
this fit back in the late 90s early

594
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:54,380
2000s when I was more heavily maybe itd

595
00:30:01,720 --> 00:29:57,710
/ in there did something that alerted

596
00:30:04,419 --> 00:30:01,730
the attention of whoever was watching

597
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:04,429
watching us it seems almost like a movie

598
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:06,890
in itself but I mean the thing is the

599
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:09,110
further down the rabbit hole I go the

600
00:30:13,810 --> 00:30:11,240
weirder and more confusing the situation

601
00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:13,820
becomes like it almost seems like all

602
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:15,320
the dots connect but you hear about

603
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:20,780
these satanic rituals and yet you think

604
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:23,510
that they're just there to satisfy at

605
00:30:28,750 --> 00:30:25,370
least I did to satisfy some ridiculous

606
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:28,760
ego and power issues but the symbolism

607
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:30,770
comes back in movies even in Disney

608
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:31,190
movie

609
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:34,730
and in music and do you think that it is

610
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:38,210
just to satisfy their ego or are they

611
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,970
conjuring up some kind of dark energy do

612
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:42,320
you believe in that at all like the

613
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:46,250
Aleister Crowley type stuff I don't know

614
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:48,890
if I believe in anything that's true

615
00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:51,070
that's right not trying to caught up

616
00:30:58,350 --> 00:30:55,640
right I'm annoying SOPA and I look into

617
00:31:02,860 --> 00:30:58,360
these things I think one of the things

618
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,870
going on that the like I told you before

619
00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:04,880
we got into this I'm not really up on a

620
00:31:07,930 --> 00:31:06,590
lot of the imagery and things I know

621
00:31:10,659 --> 00:31:07,940
Lady gaga

622
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:10,669
that's nothing there's been rappers

623
00:31:16,659 --> 00:31:13,730
singing about the Illuminati and I think

624
00:31:19,899 --> 00:31:16,669
some of them might they're just they

625
00:31:22,299 --> 00:31:19,909
know about the legends and they're kind

626
00:31:24,370 --> 00:31:22,309
of inserting that stuff in there just to

627
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:24,380
blow people's mind I think there's some

628
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:29,090
prankster ISM you got in there yeah

629
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:33,770
I really don't know it seems it's more

630
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:37,880
in-your-face as time for desolate and

631
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:39,730
make that maybe that's part of the whole

632
00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:42,710
revelation of the method and a couple of

633
00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:46,460
other books to recommend or secret

634
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:49,100
societies and psychological warfare by

635
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:51,289
Michael Anthony Hoffman he gets into a

636
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:53,000
lot of this stuff and the works of James

637
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:54,710
Shelby down or who I've written about

638
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:57,350
written a book about downer this

639
00:32:02,580 --> 00:31:59,330
revelation of the method with all the

640
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,590
subliminal imagery that there's a

641
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:05,360
processing that's going on over time

642
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:10,850
that basically leading this up to a

643
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:13,130
point where we'll be totally controlled

644
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:16,130
and as time progresses it becomes more

645
00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:19,070
in-your-face and more obvious and maybe

646
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:22,340
that's what's happening maybe that's why

647
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:24,530
it's becoming more obvious that we're

648
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:28,970
getting close to whatever this end time

649
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,140
weirdness 2012 is I don't know right

650
00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:34,880
we're getting very close to that we're

651
00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:37,220
talking about belief I died I don't know

652
00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:40,190
you can like your sin when you start if

653
00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:42,830
you start connecting things you jump

654
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:44,630
down a rabbit hole I mean

655
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,720
with my Madson book it's just crazy all

656
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:50,000
the connections and stuff I found in

657
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:52,810
that any subject if you look hard enough

658
00:32:58,300 --> 00:32:55,610
you're gonna start connecting things

659
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:58,310
just so you know like in the Eyes Wide

660
00:33:05,170 --> 00:33:02,720
Shut I started seeing all of these this

661
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:05,180
imagery and things that suggest you know

662
00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:08,410
it was connected to monarch and this

663
00:33:16,810 --> 00:33:12,620
Wizard of Oz imagery I don't know it's

664
00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:16,820
much like the 23 number thing that

665
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:19,670
Robert Anton Wilson and the discord

666
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:23,810
Ian's got into they kind of put it out

667
00:33:28,780 --> 00:33:26,210
there as a meme and popular culture that

668
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:28,790
there was something magical to the

669
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:31,280
number 23 and people started seeing it

670
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:33,650
everywhere but I found when you start

671
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:35,990
looking for things you start seeing them

672
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,650
it's like this Raven 1111 thing going on

673
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:41,360
I had some friends who were into that as

674
00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:44,450
go this is another deal but now I seemed

675
00:33:50,290 --> 00:33:48,200
I'm noticing it all the time and it's

676
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:50,300
something I was probably always seen but

677
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:53,420
now I kind of key into oh look a clock

678
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:56,960
it's 11:11 all right whatever that's

679
00:34:01,210 --> 00:33:58,610
part of what makes it so weird is

680
00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:01,220
because you've got skeptics who will say

681
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:03,560
well this is just part of you know this

682
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:05,240
is a normal phenomenon for the human

683
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:06,740
mind where you start connecting things

684
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:08,870
and they're not necessarily related but

685
00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:11,210
then if you go into like even all the

686
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:13,940
different subcategories of conspiracy

687
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:15,770
like weather manipulation then it

688
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:18,050
becomes every single tsunami or her or

689
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:20,330
you know hurricane is weather

690
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:22,280
manipulation then you look at the whole

691
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:27,050
angle of the project marna monarch sex

692
00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:28,790
slaves becoming celebrities and then it

693
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,340
becomes oh well it was Madonna it was

694
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:33,919
Marilyn Monroe and it's like it almost

695
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:35,810
seems like no one can get popular unless

696
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:38,510
they were part of these satanic orgies

697
00:34:43,899 --> 00:34:41,210
it's just a weird oh and also you know

698
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:43,909
assassinations you get into the Batman

699
00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:45,950
killing oh that was mine control oh the

700
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:47,480
you know school shootings those are mind

701
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:49,370
control and it almost starts to seem

702
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:53,750
like every event that that is odd on the

703
00:34:57,610 --> 00:34:56,210
radar is connected to the same thing you

704
00:34:58,220 --> 00:34:57,620
know I almost find myself being like is

705
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:58,230
this just in

706
00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:00,660
normal weird thing weird phenomenon or

707
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:01,830
is there something there because I'm

708
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:03,540
still going to my nine-to-five job and

709
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:07,710
it feels like none of this is really out

710
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:10,890
there and it could be something that's

711
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:13,560
in the collective caught you know

712
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,980
unconscious of the human race these

713
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:18,780
different memes and things that get

714
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:21,720
planted there and grow and but you know

715
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:25,680
you look as I remember you talked about

716
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:28,020
some of the stars you mentioned Britney

717
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:31,500
Spears and in the Cole Smith you know

718
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,920
the meltdowns they had I remember that

719
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:38,160
was just a couple of years ago with

720
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,570
Britney Spears she'd whatever broken up

721
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:44,760
and shaved her head and they had to haul

722
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:48,420
her away to the hospital at one time and

723
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:50,070
it looked at like looked like you know

724
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:52,920
she had shifted personalities I remember

725
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,690
the film of her she is screaming talking

726
00:35:59,359 --> 00:35:56,820
like kind of whining like a little girl

727
00:36:03,230 --> 00:35:59,369
and she shaved her head it was like wow

728
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:03,240
that seems like it's not in their right

729
00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:05,490
mind how can they reach a level of

730
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:07,350
celebrity it's just it seems like you

731
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:09,210
have to be a pretty savvy businessperson

732
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:12,210
pretty motivated unless of course all of

733
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:14,730
Hollywood is owned by you know the

734
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:16,020
Illuminati are controlled by the

735
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:18,540
Illuminati and they only let forth

736
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,310
certain people now would also explain

737
00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:23,220
why everybody a lot of people I know

738
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:27,660
seem to not be entertained by them the

739
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:29,400
most popular of culture or the most

740
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:32,310
popular music yeah it almost seems like

741
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:33,930
it's just presented to us is like this

742
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:35,910
is what you get you know you like it or

743
00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:37,470
don't like it it's gonna make millions

744
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:39,020
there you go

745
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:45,540
kind of like Lady Gaga's oh yeah and all

746
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:48,590
the weather stuff going on I mean I

747
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:52,410
don't know what they think I'm not I

748
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,290
don't pooh-pooh it but when you totally

749
00:37:01,400 --> 00:36:57,300
subscribe to this stuff once again I

750
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,410
could you can go too far and see

751
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:03,119
something and everything but you know

752
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:07,470
I've noticed that chemtrail contrails

753
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:10,680
whatever the heck they are become more

754
00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:12,020
prevalent over

755
00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:13,700
years and it seems like you see these

756
00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:16,190
checker boards and the skies these X's

757
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,940
like I don't know then yeah everything

758
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:22,400
that's going on these coasts now with

759
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:26,560
hurricane sandy you know we've had these

760
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:29,690
nature is like that and weather patterns

761
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:31,850
you know every hundred years or whatever

762
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:34,970
so yeah I don't I don't get too excited

763
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:39,280
about it all but on the other hand uh

764
00:37:44,050 --> 00:37:41,810
you know you talk people talk about

765
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:44,060
preparing for the worst-case scenario

766
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:46,370
and I think folks should do that too I

767
00:37:52,930 --> 00:37:50,420
don't think right so paranoid so let's

768
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:52,940
talk a little bit about your opinions on

769
00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:55,700
like the MKULTRA mind control assassins

770
00:37:59,590 --> 00:37:57,080
because like I said it seems like every

771
00:38:01,660 --> 00:37:59,600
high-profile killing as a suspect of

772
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:01,670
mind control victim are there any that

773
00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:06,530
stand out to you is more obvious Sirhan

774
00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:13,100
Sirhan was a good case that he'd

775
00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:18,260
basically written this diary where it

776
00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:20,150
looked like he went into a trance state

777
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:23,960
and they used the diary during the trial

778
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:27,530
basically his defense presented that he

779
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:31,550
had gone into some sort of trance state

780
00:38:38,890 --> 00:38:34,910
and Sirhan had no recollection of the

781
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:38,900
shooting in self all he remembered was

782
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:42,970
going into the Ambassador ballroom where

783
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:48,910
RFK spoke before he was a shot that he

784
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:52,280
went and got some coffee in the girl in

785
00:38:57,070 --> 00:38:54,890
the polka-dotted dress gave him some

786
00:38:59,890 --> 00:38:57,080
coffee and he couldn't remember anything

787
00:39:02,320 --> 00:38:59,900
like that like he was given perhaps

788
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:02,330
there was a drug with the coffee er

789
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:05,710
there's some code word you know like the

790
00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:08,750
manchurian Katan you know I was

791
00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:10,940
encouraged to play a game of solitaire

792
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,070
and how the was at the Queen of Hearts

793
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:15,680
oh the queen of diamonds was basically

794
00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:18,890
that trigger Bay feel akin to the sirhan

795
00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:21,070
sirhan case there's a lot of meat there

796
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:25,160
understudying on a couple of things but

797
00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:25,790
you know

798
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:30,590
some of the other ones one of the things

799
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:34,730
I first tripped over or talked about in

800
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:36,590
my research and wrote about I think I

801
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:38,420
was one of the first persons maybe the

802
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:42,710
first I don't I'm not positive but was

803
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:46,130
the book The Catcher in the Rye in how

804
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:50,570
the who was John Hinckley who shot

805
00:39:59,140 --> 00:39:54,010
Reagan and Mark David Chapman and also

806
00:40:04,000 --> 00:39:59,150
after he blew away John Lennon both both

807
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:04,010
had a copy of The Catcher in the Rye in

808
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:05,960
their possession and it was like they

809
00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:08,210
were sitting there I know Chapman was

810
00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:12,100
sitting there reading it very calmly

811
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:15,380
that's what they you know like he just

812
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,830
stayed gone into his trance assassin

813
00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:21,040
mode and once that was done he had

814
00:40:26,890 --> 00:40:24,100
switched over into something else so I

815
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:26,900
conjectured back in the day and this was

816
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:28,790
in the early 90s I wrote about it for

817
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:32,510
paranoid paranoia magazine that it was

818
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,270
used as a mechanism of control I started

819
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:38,240
looking into this and it was like okay I

820
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:41,810
want to find out more about JD Salinger

821
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:45,830
and I learned that he was mixed up with

822
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:48,320
the OSS back in the day who later became

823
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:51,860
the CIA and that he was part of a group

824
00:41:01,020 --> 00:40:57,530
that basically interviewed and brought a

825
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:01,030
lot of these the German people the Nazis

826
00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:05,930
D Knox of D not suffice them as they

827
00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:08,060
called it back in the day but really if

828
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:10,220
you read into it were part of the

829
00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:12,350
project paperclip program so it was

830
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:15,020
pretty interesting with this Salinger

831
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:20,050
was involved in that I found it funny I

832
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:25,610
think I not this I think I'm the first

833
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:27,710
person maybe connected those dots that

834
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:31,610
I'll tall say I am I know why not prove

835
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:35,270
wrong later in the movie conspiracy

836
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:37,160
theory with milk Gibson they brought out

837
00:41:44,809 --> 00:41:39,569
that angle and joking

838
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:44,819
I was interviewed by this I think

839
00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:47,339
they're still around newsflash they were

840
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:50,039
like a they put out stories that would

841
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:53,369
go go viral this about a decade ago and

842
00:41:58,549 --> 00:41:55,619
radio stations would pick them up and

843
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:58,559
they and so that they did that angle

844
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:01,079
that some guy interviewed me and they

845
00:42:04,009 --> 00:42:03,660
they did a couple things on me over the

846
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,019
years

847
00:42:09,469 --> 00:42:06,900
and so they just take out sound bites

848
00:42:12,259 --> 00:42:09,479
and the interviewer said you know I told

849
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,269
me out no Gibson and ripped me off he'd

850
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:14,160
heard this somewhere and said are you

851
00:42:20,269 --> 00:42:18,359
gonna sue Mel Gibson I go and there do

852
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:20,279
not do that but I take an out-of-court

853
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:22,529
settlement or something so that's the

854
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:24,569
new so got a little news play for a

855
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:26,690
while and I got interviewed by some

856
00:42:35,449 --> 00:42:31,049
radio stations but anyway we're tactical

857
00:42:37,459 --> 00:42:35,459
we're talking about it assassins uh no

858
00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:37,469
no boy if you looked into well just want

859
00:42:40,729 --> 00:42:39,479
to say have yeah didn't do a lot of the

860
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:40,739
work I've seen from you is a little bit

861
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:42,420
older or the interviews I listen to her

862
00:42:45,739 --> 00:42:43,529
a little bit older but have you really

863
00:42:50,839 --> 00:42:45,749
looked into the Batman killing the most

864
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:50,849
recent massacre a little bit not much it

865
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:54,690
was funny I was in Colorado where was I

866
00:43:02,299 --> 00:42:57,209
was in Boulder that I was also around

867
00:43:04,009 --> 00:43:02,309
the Denver Aurora area during that same

868
00:43:05,689 --> 00:43:04,019
period night yeah I think I was in

869
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:05,699
Boulder that day I was out doing some

870
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:10,430
work and I woke up and fired up the

871
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:13,410
laptop see what the emails and whatnot

872
00:43:21,049 --> 00:43:18,359
and I see the shooting this Colorado

873
00:43:23,449 --> 00:43:21,059
shooting oh holy crap what's going on

874
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:23,459
here you know I thought I saw it I'm in

875
00:43:32,439 --> 00:43:26,729
Colorado not far from when this went on

876
00:43:36,469 --> 00:43:32,449
i boy certainly had all the earmarks of

877
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:36,479
you know another lone nut' you know

878
00:43:42,709 --> 00:43:39,930
there's a lot of people were alleging or

879
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:42,719
the witnesses that there was a second

880
00:43:49,189 --> 00:43:46,170
person involved I don't know a lot of

881
00:43:51,099 --> 00:43:49,199
people in the theater said that and well

882
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:51,109
another weird thing about it was that

883
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:53,370
apparently there is an old

884
00:43:58,940 --> 00:43:56,880
book called The Dark Knight that was you

885
00:44:02,180 --> 00:43:58,950
know as in the big line of Batman comics

886
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:02,190
but in that particular issue a man goes

887
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,290
into a theater and he kind of goes crazy

888
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:07,140
and he shoots people and the man who

889
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,450
goes into the theater has orange hair

890
00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:11,910
and if you look at the the killer he

891
00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:13,350
dyed his hair orange and everyone's like

892
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,790
oh he was trying to be the Joker

893
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:16,740
well the Joker doesn't have orange hair

894
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:20,070
so the only I mean it seems like it

895
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,300
might have came from that in the same

896
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:22,560
way you talk about the Catcher in the

897
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:26,310
Rye I could see this particular comic

898
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:29,190
being used as a trigger and you know

899
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:31,590
they they program him into thinking he's

900
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:33,510
almost in that comic book or playing out

901
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:36,660
that character and another strange thing

902
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,660
about it and it's it's much creepier if

903
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:41,040
you see the picture rather than hear the

904
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:42,390
explanation but during the London

905
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:44,540
Olympics they did some really weird

906
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:47,070
opening and closing ceremonies and in

907
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,990
the closing ceremony they had like some

908
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,180
some guys doing like cheerleaders

909
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:53,460
pyramid and they were wearing suits and

910
00:44:59,810 --> 00:44:55,890
they had the exact same hair they had

911
00:45:02,480 --> 00:44:59,820
you know orange hair that was all messed

912
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:02,490
up and it looked just like him and it

913
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:04,890
seems really odd that they would it

914
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:07,850
almost like they were parading their

915
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:11,190
their covert activities at the London

916
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:14,960
Olympics crazy yeah I'd heard about the

917
00:45:21,110 --> 00:45:17,100
comic book you know there's another

918
00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:21,120
thing you can't to other assassins when

919
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:23,100
they they did the court hearing for this

920
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:26,190
guy he looked all out of it like he'd

921
00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:31,520
been drugged up apparently and I forget

922
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:35,550
was like a woman in a red dress pink

923
00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:39,660
dress something stood up I haven't seen

924
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:41,670
the actual footage but said something

925
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,300
said something about some program that

926
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:47,160
the truth needs to come out about

927
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:49,650
whatever next the last you heard it

928
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:52,710
about that was like what's the hell's

929
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:55,110
that about you know once again maybe it

930
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:58,440
was that some type of trigger to put him

931
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:00,690
in an amnesia state or was she really

932
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,600
trying to reveal some truth about what

933
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:06,240
was going on about you know that all of

934
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,080
this you know

935
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:10,560
yeah I mean another suspicious fact is

936
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,770
that his father was involved in he was

937
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,780
about to go public in exposing some

938
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:17,520
evidence in the live-aboard scan which

939
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,230
was a big banking scandal we heard about

940
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:21,480
for like half a day yeah

941
00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:24,300
multibillion-dollar banking scandal that

942
00:46:28,310 --> 00:46:26,550
you know not a big deal happens all the

943
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:28,320
time don't worry about this let's talk

944
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:30,650
about you know the football game right

945
00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:34,200
yeah it seems like that kind of thing

946
00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:36,320
happens when someone tries to go public

947
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:39,120
someone out someone in their family goes

948
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:45,330
crazy or ends up dead mm-hmm yeah I'm

949
00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:46,890
just gonna say another like to get onto

950
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:48,840
something that you have written about a

951
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,830
little more is the JFK killings I mean

952
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:54,720
that's probably one of the highest

953
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,800
profile suspects of a ritual killing I

954
00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:00,900
know you wrote a book about the work and

955
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:03,630
James Shelby Downard and the whole idea

956
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:08,130
the concept of mystical type nom nominee

957
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:08,880
what is that

958
00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:13,980
oh yeah mystical to apana me yeah that's

959
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:15,630
a weird thing but there seems to be a

960
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:17,160
lot of evidence like again it's the

961
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:20,610
conduct connecting thing you know right

962
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:24,210
James Shelby down dirt was the great dot

963
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,210
connector kind of a gonzo conspiracy

964
00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:30,000
research and I've written a book James

965
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:36,200
Shelby downards mystical war I first

966
00:47:42,110 --> 00:47:38,970
became familiar I think with his

967
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:42,120
writings through what he's most famously

968
00:47:50,090 --> 00:47:46,640
known for is king kill 33 which was

969
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:50,100
co-authored by Michael Anthony Hoffman

970
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:53,640
and it was basically Downers theories

971
00:48:01,070 --> 00:47:57,660
presented in this manuscript and Hoffman

972
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:01,080
helped him write it as a as I looked in

973
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:03,660
my research of Downard looked at some of

974
00:48:11,810 --> 00:48:05,970
the original source material he wasn't

975
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,820
that talented of a writer but so Hoffman

976
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:14,400
his role in that was basically to help

977
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:16,830
pull them together pull his thoughts

978
00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:18,870
together and put it in a written format

979
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:20,820
but

980
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:24,390
basically downer presented the theory

981
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:29,660
that RFK is not RFK JFK's assassination

982
00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:33,240
was basically a ritual sacrifice all

983
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:36,270
part of this revelation of the method

984
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:39,720
that we have been talking about where it

985
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:43,710
was used as a match mass ritual to kind

986
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,310
of process humanity and cause a trauma

987
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:50,720
to the psyche and basically in so many

988
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:52,310
words

989
00:49:00,260 --> 00:48:56,940
tell the general populace that you know

990
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:00,270
you're controlled we've we took out the

991
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:02,340
president when he crossed the line and

992
00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:04,890
you're all expendable that was kind of

993
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:10,220
the subliminal underlying message and

994
00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:13,740
downer points to a free Masonic

995
00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:19,100
conspiracy under the behind this JFK's

996
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:24,840
execution in this ritual that took part

997
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:28,650
on the 33rd degree latitude that's what

998
00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:30,420
we called about the mystical to upon I

999
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,120
mean the number 33 supposedly is the

1000
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,880
highest degree in Freemasonry and

1001
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:38,160
throughout JFK's assassination and

1002
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:41,190
number three comes up again and again

1003
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:43,650
he's murdered by the triple underpass

1004
00:49:50,060 --> 00:49:48,510
there's three be shots allegedly and

1005
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:50,070
there was the three tramps three

1006
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:54,900
assassins found in Daley Plaza if now

1007
00:50:02,440 --> 00:49:58,560
this 33 Atlantic dude if you trayvis it

1008
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:02,450
across the country which downer doesn't

1009
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:08,520
kill 33 manuscript he traces it to set

1010
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:11,190
such places as South Carolina where

1011
00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:14,510
what's his name Albert Pike founded

1012
00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:17,600
Freemasonry and the such sites as

1013
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,000
Alamogordo New Mexico where they tested

1014
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:23,040
the the atomic bomb that was later

1015
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:27,870
dropped on that Japan and that and also

1016
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:30,510
the Roswell crash was on the 33rd degree

1017
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,970
and even Disneyland is on that 33

1018
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:36,160
degree latitude and some people suggest

1019
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:40,329
that Walt was a uncle Walt Disney was a

1020
00:50:48,059 --> 00:50:44,670
Mason drag and there's even a 33rd club

1021
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:48,069
33 there so anyway it was now nerds

1022
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:51,520
contention that JFK's assassination was

1023
00:50:59,940 --> 00:50:56,579
a Masonic ritual that's kind of the

1024
00:51:04,859 --> 00:50:59,950
theme or the idea behind that theory a

1025
00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:04,869
lot of people for a long time and they

1026
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:07,000
still do don't believe that James Shelby

1027
00:51:14,460 --> 00:51:11,920
Downard even actually existed that in my

1028
00:51:16,829 --> 00:51:14,470
mind I the research I did showed that

1029
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,839
yeah he was a real living and breathing

1030
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:18,960
human being kind of a larger-than-life

1031
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:21,670
character so that's why a lot of people

1032
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:24,550
I think he was some type of literary

1033
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:29,650
creation constructed by Michael Hoffman

1034
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:33,609
and William grim stead or Adam Parker

1035
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:36,250
you published some of his works it is a

1036
00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:38,440
weird thing about the locations on the

1037
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:41,500
33 33rd degree parallel I mean they also

1038
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:43,270
talked about that if you go into other

1039
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:46,210
researchers who look into the ancient

1040
00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:48,310
pyramids of the world they're apparently

1041
00:51:53,550 --> 00:51:51,819
also on some type of grid which is weird

1042
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:53,560
because it's supposed to be a time where

1043
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,650
as far as we know there was no

1044
00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:58,480
cross-continental communication but yet

1045
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:00,190
all these weird structures are sort of

1046
00:52:06,059 --> 00:52:02,770
Stonehenge also things like that seem to

1047
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:06,069
be on the same planes and it's it's odd

1048
00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:08,410
because the you know as far as the

1049
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:10,150
shadow government in Illuminati or

1050
00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:11,740
Freemasons their concern is there seems

1051
00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:14,260
to be some type of knowledge of the

1052
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:17,740
universe that we just don't talk about

1053
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:19,390
it's not taught in schools it's sort of

1054
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:21,970
off the table and to me when you get

1055
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,510
into the satanic rituals and all that

1056
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,280
stuff like the really dark stuff that

1057
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:29,200
apparently is going on on top of the

1058
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:31,390
pyramid it seems like there's something

1059
00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:35,200
to this the idea of energy that we just

1060
00:52:43,319 --> 00:52:38,920
were just clueless about yeah these

1061
00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:45,900
William Grimm said he was into this he

1062
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:47,320
was one of

1063
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:50,500
downards prodigies and the rebirth of

1064
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:54,310
pan that's a real rare book but he talks

1065
00:53:00,060 --> 00:52:58,240
about this spirit energy there that the

1066
00:53:02,070 --> 00:53:00,070
Native Americans knew about there was

1067
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:02,080
all these mounds that were all across

1068
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:05,980
the country that later got plowed over

1069
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:09,520
torn down but my friend Andy Kaufman

1070
00:53:16,610 --> 00:53:13,380
talks about some of these energy spots

1071
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:16,620
the you know people who took over the

1072
00:53:25,610 --> 00:53:20,380
Native Americans and massacred them and

1073
00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:28,260
military installations on these same

1074
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:31,720
power spots so it's like usurping the

1075
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:34,390
that power they know there's some type

1076
00:53:42,510 --> 00:53:39,180
of Energy's a lot of times yeah

1077
00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:42,520
spiritual spots churches whatever these

1078
00:53:48,540 --> 00:53:45,880
will people when they take over these

1079
00:53:52,170 --> 00:53:48,550
spots they'll put it in their own power

1080
00:53:56,310 --> 00:53:52,180
structures nowadays whether it's some

1081
00:53:59,420 --> 00:53:56,320
military installation or whatnot so yeah

1082
00:54:02,900 --> 00:53:59,430
that that's all part of the dill and

1083
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:02,910
another another interesting one is

1084
00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:04,900
Disneyland I brought that up because

1085
00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:07,060
another friend of mine

1086
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,550
Walter Bosley wrote a book called I

1087
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:12,160
think called at latitude 33 where he has

1088
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:16,390
some weird experiences and in Disneyland

1089
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:20,140
we're on a carousel there he basically

1090
00:54:27,450 --> 00:54:22,500
said it was a type of interdimensional

1091
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:27,460
time travel type of teleportation device

1092
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:32,230
weird and they've removed that the

1093
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:34,180
carousel I forget what the carousel is

1094
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:37,630
it's no longer there but he Walter

1095
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:40,330
claims he met some guy from the past or

1096
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:44,290
future that helped we must have been

1097
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:45,850
from the past that he was one of the

1098
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:49,180
architects of Disneyland originally or

1099
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:51,730
evolved in that and that they they knew

1100
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:53,230
about you know that's why they built

1101
00:54:57,830 --> 00:54:55,960
Disneyland where they did because it was

1102
00:55:00,570 --> 00:54:57,840
one of those power spots

1103
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:00,580
yeah Disney's a weird

1104
00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:02,410
a weird thing because everybody loves

1105
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:04,360
their movies it's like every kid grows

1106
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:07,600
up on Disney movies and there are a lot

1107
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:11,950
bigger huh I've seen they got the scene

1108
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:13,600
yeah they sorry to interrupt you they

1109
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:16,150
got all that crazy Illuminati unit

1110
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:19,000
imagery in their movies as well right I

1111
00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:20,890
mean you can look at now we have the

1112
00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:23,080
technology to look at stills that you

1113
00:55:27,140 --> 00:55:24,700
couldn't really look at back then and

1114
00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:27,150
you can go online and find all these

1115
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:31,300
weird like single-cell shots where

1116
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:33,190
they'll say the word Illuminati or have

1117
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:36,550
the all-seeing eye and one there are a

1118
00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:37,720
lot of researchers out there that are

1119
00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:40,300
talking about the idea that every Disney

1120
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:44,080
movie involves some you know feat some

1121
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:46,450
Disney princess and that what that is

1122
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:48,040
almost teaching kids is to be

1123
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:52,360
materialistic and you know to be shallow

1124
00:55:56,010 --> 00:55:54,550
and to an extent I could see that I mean

1125
00:55:59,570 --> 00:55:56,020
that is definitely a theme throughout

1126
00:56:06,060 --> 00:55:59,580
all Disney movies to have that female

1127
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:06,070
and maybe to be the princess and this

1128
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:10,050
fantasy fantasy world you have to

1129
00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:14,080
basically be sacrifice sacrifice

1130
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:16,750
something in yourself you know you know

1131
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:20,080
coming yeah was it almost seems like the

1132
00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:23,650
project monarch theme yeah and so all

1133
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:27,460
these you know women who want to become

1134
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:30,580
these fantasy stars or whatever perhaps

1135
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:33,610
to become for that process and

1136
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:37,180
eventually you know it it's tragic for

1137
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:41,380
from the Marilyn Monroe or who's Whitney

1138
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:43,350
Houston's of the world

1139
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,260
they eventually paid the ultimate price

1140
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:48,880
there's also this isn't something that I

1141
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:51,640
saw in the books that you provided for

1142
00:56:57,570 --> 00:56:54,700
me to read but you also hear the idea of

1143
00:56:59,580 --> 00:56:57,580
the like that they're the blood

1144
00:57:01,620 --> 00:56:59,590
sacrifice and that certain celebrities

1145
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,630
whether they I guess the theory is that

1146
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:03,520
they're involved in the Illuminati in

1147
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:05,410
Freemasonry and then once they get to a

1148
00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:07,720
certain level they're granted an

1149
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:10,180
opportunity to provide a blood sacrifice

1150
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:12,610
to reach a level of stardom that they

1151
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:13,119
hadn't

1152
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:15,220
previously had and you'll find that a

1153
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:17,950
lot of the musicians that are pretty

1154
00:57:22,739 --> 00:57:19,930
popular have had strange deaths in their

1155
00:57:26,339 --> 00:57:22,749
family Kanye West is one his mom died

1156
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,349
strangely during plastic surgery you

1157
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,960
know jay-z was dating Aaliyah who died

1158
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:30,880
in a plane crash and he's one of the

1159
00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:34,559
biggest moguls there is and hip hop and

1160
00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:37,900
those are two examples but there seems

1161
00:57:42,749 --> 00:57:39,549
to be kind of a lot of them and I guess

1162
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,759
the theory like that there is that you

1163
00:57:47,279 --> 00:57:44,319
don't reach that level of stardom unless

1164
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:47,289
you do make some type of sacrifice well

1165
00:57:53,279 --> 00:57:47,980
yeah

1166
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:53,289
you ever look the you start like you're

1167
00:57:57,150 --> 00:57:55,240
talking about the gun down that rabbit

1168
00:57:59,940 --> 00:57:57,160
hole and connecting those dots wants to

1169
00:58:03,450 --> 00:57:59,950
start looking for those things the hits

1170
00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:03,460
keep coming it's like what's his name

1171
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:05,980
Dave McGowan you familiar with his

1172
00:58:10,589 --> 00:58:08,710
search research on world Canyon and the

1173
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,599
stuff he's written about that I've heard

1174
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:13,119
about Laurel Canyon but I not that name

1175
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:17,220
doesn't ring a bell yeah the inside

1176
00:58:23,009 --> 00:58:20,470
what's he called the inside story of

1177
00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:23,019
Laurel Canyon Dave McGowan you can find

1178
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:25,900
his stuff on the web he hasn't he

1179
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:30,249
decided not to write a book and get it

1180
00:58:34,499 --> 00:58:32,200
published he traditionally even though

1181
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:34,509
it's some amazing materials he's kind of

1182
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:37,839
a wry humorous writer in his approach

1183
00:58:42,749 --> 00:58:40,329
but he got looking into the Laurel

1184
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:42,759
Canyon thing all the rock stars that

1185
00:58:49,799 --> 00:58:45,210
came out of Laurel Canyon in the late

1186
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:49,809
60s and all the connections they had in

1187
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:53,430
their families to intelligence

1188
00:58:59,819 --> 00:58:56,460
organizations or military backgrounds

1189
00:59:03,660 --> 00:58:59,829
and a lot of the same themes started

1190
00:59:07,289 --> 00:59:03,670
coming up again again and the mysterious

1191
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:07,299
deaths of all these different rock stars

1192
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:09,130
plugged into the community and the

1193
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:12,660
history of Laurel Canyon is kind of a

1194
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,839
spooky area so that's kind of the kind

1195
00:59:22,279 --> 00:59:18,880
of the same theme of what we're talking

1196
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:22,289
about you know that went on in the late

1197
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,390
60s and you know you look at different

1198
00:59:29,819 --> 00:59:26,799
people like Jim

1199
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:29,829
Morrison this father was an admiral in

1200
00:59:38,509 --> 00:59:34,749
the Navy tied into intelligence and

1201
00:59:44,009 --> 00:59:38,519
whatnot he actually took part in the

1202
00:59:46,529 --> 00:59:44,019
what they call that that fabled it's

1203
00:59:50,759 --> 00:59:46,539
basically the it was a false flag

1204
00:59:53,099 --> 00:59:50,769
operation that launched got the Vietnam

1205
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:53,109
War going and Jim Morrison's father I

1206
00:59:57,569 --> 00:59:55,150
was involved met if you look at these

1207
01:00:00,089 --> 00:59:57,579
different rock stars a lot of them had

1208
01:00:01,890 --> 01:00:00,099
those connections in their family once

1209
01:00:04,380 --> 01:00:01,900
again talking about a bloodline or

1210
01:00:06,569 --> 01:00:04,390
something so you know you ask yourself

1211
01:00:08,999 --> 01:00:06,579
why were these to get people were they

1212
01:00:14,489 --> 01:00:09,009
coming talking you know they're involved

1213
01:00:18,209 --> 01:00:14,499
in the summer of love and the anti-war

1214
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:18,219
movement was psychedelics and you know I

1215
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:21,400
guess McGowan doesn't come flat out and

1216
01:00:30,989 --> 01:00:26,049
say it that that was part of a program

1217
01:00:35,099 --> 01:00:30,999
that was basically being instigated

1218
01:00:38,759 --> 01:00:35,109
there's far this mass control of society

1219
01:00:40,709 --> 01:00:38,769
and part of that 60s counterculture was

1220
01:00:42,959 --> 01:00:40,719
part of of this and that I know that's

1221
01:00:45,630 --> 01:00:42,969
what people get into they're talking

1222
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:45,640
about the Beatles and the connection

1223
01:00:53,370 --> 01:00:48,910
tact the stock and all this that they

1224
01:00:56,579 --> 01:00:53,380
were basically programming the 60s

1225
01:00:58,410 --> 01:00:56,589
generation yeah and I liked reading a

1226
01:01:01,919 --> 01:00:58,420
lot about that stuff in your work

1227
01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:01,929
because you know most of my conspiracy

1228
01:01:06,209 --> 01:01:04,150
knowledge is a little is pretty much

1229
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:06,219
post 9/11 really because that's kind of

1230
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:08,410
what sent me off in high school it just

1231
01:01:14,249 --> 01:01:12,130
seemed so so staged it just did not seem

1232
01:01:16,650 --> 01:01:14,259
like a plane would knock a building down

1233
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:16,660
in that fashion I mean but I guess

1234
01:01:20,579 --> 01:01:17,890
that's just one of those things you

1235
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:20,589
either it just looks weird to you or it

1236
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:22,150
doesn't you know and the people that it

1237
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:24,249
doesn't look weird to them that I can't

1238
01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:27,369
really reach them but you know before we

1239
01:01:31,579 --> 01:01:29,199
before we wrap up I wanted to give you a

1240
01:01:33,569 --> 01:01:31,589
minute to talk about the Manson Family

1241
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,579
because I know you've done so much

1242
01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:36,160
research into that and you know I've

1243
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:38,140
always only just known the cliffnotes to

1244
01:01:41,610 --> 01:01:40,450
it you know pretty much what you see

1245
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:41,620
TV but what are some of the

1246
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:44,470
misconceptions of that the Manson

1247
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:46,150
situation and the killings there and

1248
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:48,130
kind of the strange connections that

1249
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:52,750
you've come across oh boy

1250
01:01:59,880 --> 01:01:56,130
I know I know it's a big question but

1251
01:02:01,950 --> 01:01:59,890
I've been talking about this and writing

1252
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:01,960
about it for so long I've forgotten half

1253
01:02:12,780 --> 01:02:04,770
of what I learned about a law but

1254
01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:12,790
misconceptions well I got into it let's

1255
01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:14,620
approach it this way I got into it

1256
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:18,940
there's a famous conspiracy researcher

1257
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:21,640
by the name of May Brussels be familiar

1258
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:24,310
with that name may Brussels now okay ah

1259
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:27,610
so I'm taking you back old school all

1260
01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:27,910
right

1261
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:31,630
and for let me preface going into

1262
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:34,210
Madison that you talking about 9/11

1263
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,060
might the Kennedy assassination was

1264
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:40,000
night my 9/11 that's what got me going

1265
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:43,720
and questioning everything everything

1266
01:02:49,350 --> 01:02:47,170
that came afterwards when I know I had

1267
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:49,360
been looking all this stuff for so long

1268
01:02:55,890 --> 01:02:52,390
when 9/11 happened was like here we you

1269
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,900
know go again I and review and so I'm

1270
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,240
kind of stuck into the old school stuff

1271
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:00,640
I haven't looked in you know every time

1272
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:04,240
one of these things pops up I go maybe

1273
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:07,290
it's the same script they're using but

1274
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:11,590
so I you're one of the new breed looking

1275
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:14,770
into this stuff I'm the old school guy I

1276
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:17,050
shake that I like that yeah i should

1277
01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:20,380
note I was interviewed I'm not sure if

1278
01:03:24,180 --> 01:03:22,180
you're familiar with Visigoths and a lot

1279
01:03:25,230 --> 01:03:24,190
of interviews he deaths I actually

1280
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:25,240
listen to that one

1281
01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:28,360
yeah he has a 911 page on if he can find

1282
01:03:36,090 --> 01:03:31,720
his website or these subliminal images

1283
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:36,100
of 9/11 before 9/11 or everywhere which

1284
01:03:43,830 --> 01:03:40,720
is kind of weird but so the going back

1285
01:03:45,690 --> 01:03:43,840
to me Brussels look look her up she's

1286
01:03:48,330 --> 01:03:45,700
really one of the people that got me

1287
01:03:51,570 --> 01:03:48,340
into looking at conspiracy research she

1288
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,580
was this tireless investigator she was

1289
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:53,920
like a soccer mom back in

1290
01:04:03,089 --> 01:03:56,710
day who came across the Kennedy

1291
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:03,099
assassination and got interested and got

1292
01:04:09,089 --> 01:04:07,180
all 26 volumes of the the Warren

1293
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:09,099
Commission report start going through it

1294
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:12,010
she goes this stinks so she started

1295
01:04:16,859 --> 01:04:14,140
connecting the dots and she did a radio

1296
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:16,869
program and she did this for years

1297
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:20,430
looking and she there's a hundreds

1298
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:23,200
thousands of hours of tape recordings of

1299
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:25,450
her getting into things breaking them

1300
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:27,849
down the last thing before she died

1301
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:30,130
under mysterious circumstances of the

1302
01:04:37,170 --> 01:04:33,930
late 80s she was looking into this

1303
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:37,180
military involved with Satanism and

1304
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:40,930
mind-control and that might have been a

1305
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:43,510
Rin so maybe Russell got me into

1306
01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:45,490
conspiracy and maybe Russell was talking

1307
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:48,760
about the Manson Family and she was

1308
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:51,970
usually I think sometimes she went off

1309
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:54,400
the deep end of the rabbit hole a little

1310
01:05:00,089 --> 01:04:57,059
bit too deep but she was talking about

1311
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:00,099
back in shortly after the Manson Family

1312
01:05:05,579 --> 01:05:02,470
murders in the early 70s that she

1313
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:05,589
thought it was a military mind-control

1314
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:09,520
operation and so that got me looking

1315
01:05:15,809 --> 01:05:11,770
into a whole bunch of other theories

1316
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:15,819
that she normally people don't talk

1317
01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:17,700
about they're talking about him more

1318
01:05:23,940 --> 01:05:20,380
about the Manson family the

1319
01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:23,950
conspiratorial aspects such as maybe

1320
01:05:30,620 --> 01:05:28,059
helter skelter was kind of a the helter

1321
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:30,630
skelter theory is presented by Bugliosi

1322
01:05:37,859 --> 01:05:33,940
was a cover-up of what really went down

1323
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:37,869
that maybe there was some mind-control

1324
01:05:45,450 --> 01:05:41,140
aspects going on there maybe the Mafia

1325
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:45,460
was involved there were drug burns going

1326
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:47,890
on maybe the victims weren't as innocent

1327
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:51,760
as they were portrayed to because you

1328
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:53,170
know they were involved in the drug

1329
01:06:00,240 --> 01:05:56,950
scene and Manson had deep connections in

1330
01:06:03,319 --> 01:06:00,250
the rock music industry and new people

1331
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:03,329
and movies and so you got all these

1332
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:05,440
conspiracies going on that aren't

1333
01:06:09,450 --> 01:06:07,210
normally

1334
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:09,460
about them so that's what got it me

1335
01:06:14,339 --> 01:06:13,030
interested in the Manson Family story

1336
01:06:19,650 --> 01:06:14,349
and that I think that's kind of my

1337
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:19,660
long-winded answer to how I got involved

1338
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:20,260
in it

1339
01:06:24,270 --> 01:06:22,510
Vincent Bugliosi is interested if you

1340
01:06:27,630 --> 01:06:24,280
just start looking there he was the

1341
01:06:31,050 --> 01:06:27,640
prosecutor mm-hmm the DA for this thing

1342
01:06:33,089 --> 01:06:31,060
back in the day wrote the book helter

1343
01:06:37,230 --> 01:06:33,099
skelter which presented the theory that

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01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,240
Manson was somehow influenced by he

1345
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:39,280
heard the music of the Beatles and that

1346
01:06:47,730 --> 01:06:42,430
was one of the influences that caused

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01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:47,740
them to do the mass murders there when

1348
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:50,470
you look at Vincent Bugliosi though may

1349
01:06:58,650 --> 01:06:54,730
Brussels is she would be one of the

1350
01:07:00,750 --> 01:06:58,660
first to point to him as being a witch

1351
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:00,760
did she called people like him

1352
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:03,210
investigators that get involved but

1353
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:05,890
we'll put out some of the truth but not

1354
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:08,280
all of the truth me if you look later at

1355
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:11,050
Vincent Bugliosi he got involved in the

1356
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:15,119
RFK assassination and also wrote a book

1357
01:07:21,210 --> 01:07:18,790
about the JFK assassination the final

1358
01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:21,220
word that it you know Lee Harvey Oswald

1359
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:26,680
was the lone assassin yeah kind of like

1360
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:28,330
almost like this information or

1361
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:31,810
withholding yeah a dis informational

1362
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:37,210
list and so you know made Brussels paid

1363
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:40,089
Vincent Bugliosi as one of those that

1364
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:43,450
helped cover up what was going on behind

1365
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:47,290
the scenes with the Manson's store hmm

1366
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:49,960
yeah the Manson's story is just it's

1367
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:52,410
really weird because you know the guy

1368
01:07:58,609 --> 01:07:54,550
never killed anyone

1369
01:08:02,010 --> 01:07:58,619
apparently no he's in prison for life

1370
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:02,020
they do he has some strange interviews

1371
01:08:07,380 --> 01:08:05,260
on TV and he does he he does not seem

1372
01:08:11,010 --> 01:08:07,390
sane to me and the interviews that I've

1373
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:11,020
seen but you know he was deep into the

1374
01:08:16,530 --> 01:08:14,920
music and subculture and so you know he

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01:08:18,539 --> 01:08:16,540
had something had to have happened

1376
01:08:20,459 --> 01:08:18,549
somewhere it seems because if he was

1377
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:20,469
acting the way he acts now back then I

1378
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:20,850
just

1379
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:21,870
don't think anyone would hang around

1380
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,370
like well really weird he's crazy like a

1381
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:29,040
fox I think that's kind of the game he

1382
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,540
plays one time he says he said he'll say

1383
01:08:37,190 --> 01:08:35,040
some interesting things and the

1384
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:37,200
interviews a lot of its gibber ish but

1385
01:08:43,190 --> 01:08:39,210
it'll throw out some nuggets now and

1386
01:08:45,710 --> 01:08:43,200
then like after he got locked up he yeah

1387
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:45,720
so I want to know who was peeing on my

1388
01:08:52,310 --> 01:08:49,500
leash which inferred that they had let

1389
01:08:55,270 --> 01:08:52,320
him loose let him out to do his thing

1390
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:55,280
then they pulled him back in once he had

1391
01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:00,660
served his purpose after the murders

1392
01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:05,640
there's a guy worked for the Los Angeles

1393
01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:08,300
Sheriff's Office

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01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:10,680
Preston Guillory I think now he's a

1395
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:12,690
private eye and he was in some of these

1396
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:15,450
interviews with made Brussels and he

1397
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:19,080
said they you know knew Manson had this

1398
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:22,020
thing going on it Spahn Ranch there had

1399
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:24,120
been some rape charges against him but

1400
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:26,810
this was somebody who was on probation

1401
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:30,150
and they knew he had weapons there but

1402
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:33,480
the word Preston Guillory was it was

1403
01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:37,140
hands off on Manson for a period of time

1404
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:40,260
and he got frustrated wondering why they

1405
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,090
did that he believed that Nance that

1406
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:45,359
they were using Manson as an agent

1407
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:48,290
provocateur whoever they is you know the

1408
01:09:55,330 --> 01:09:51,570
alphabet soup agencies during that whole

1409
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:55,340
period of Cohen tell pro where they were

1410
01:10:02,590 --> 01:09:58,410
infiltrating the hippie movement and the

1411
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:02,600
black panthers and and so they that

1412
01:10:10,580 --> 01:10:06,900
ultimately Manson was used as a pawn in

1413
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:10,590
a big game here which was which made

1414
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:13,080
Brussels said was too whole undermine

1415
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:17,400
the whole 60s counterculture and that

1416
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:19,770
after the Manson family murders it was a

1417
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:22,170
long time before you saw anybody with

1418
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:24,650
law with long hair who looked like a

1419
01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:27,750
hippie or whatever pressure portrayed

1420
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:30,630
positively in popular media well that

1421
01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:32,310
becomes the question is you know you

1422
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:34,270
look at the situation and I will

1423
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:36,670
I would this occur and it does seem like

1424
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:39,100
the 60s to me just seemed like such a

1425
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:43,180
crazy time and I really like what I do

1426
01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:44,950
here about it but at the same time it

1427
01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:46,360
all comes through a filter it's never

1428
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:49,780
really exactly as it was so but it's

1429
01:10:55,650 --> 01:10:53,230
yeah you ask the why in it and really

1430
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:55,660
the the hippie movement was gained so

1431
01:11:00,840 --> 01:10:58,090
much steam it seemed and it was all

1432
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:00,850
about love love is the the term they

1433
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:02,470
throw around more than any other so now

1434
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:05,710
if you can find a guy who's looks like

1435
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:07,450
that and is in that movement and is

1436
01:11:11,970 --> 01:11:09,550
murdering people or suggesting that

1437
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,980
people should be murdered you know you

1438
01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:13,920
kind of throw a wrench in the whole the

1439
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:16,360
whole movement really and I guess that

1440
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:20,290
seems to be part of the plan yeah and I

1441
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:23,890
get into the bit you know the whole LSD

1442
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:26,830
and how that was introduced and you know

1443
01:11:35,550 --> 01:11:31,660
really the at one time the CIA was the

1444
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:35,560
largest provider of acid Britain on the

1445
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:38,260
planet exactly they bother to get out

1446
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:42,280
and so while they started first using it

1447
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:45,730
through programs and university and

1448
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:48,370
that's where the Jerry Garcia and

1449
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:51,910
Kinky's he and all those people got

1450
01:11:57,390 --> 01:11:54,970
ahold of it and but they also had safe

1451
01:12:01,520 --> 01:11:57,400
safe houses set up in the Haight Ashbury

1452
01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:01,530
during the summer of love where they

1453
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,940
notorious figure and MKULTRA lore Lewis

1454
01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:08,800
Julian West was involved in some of

1455
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:11,080
these safe houses where they pick up

1456
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,150
some guy at a bar and dosed them with

1457
01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:16,000
LSD and taken back with a prostitute and

1458
01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:19,060
kind of monitoring and they're also but

1459
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:21,460
they're also obviously putting this

1460
01:12:26,670 --> 01:12:24,850
stuff out into the counterculture that's

1461
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:26,680
kind of what undermines if you look in

1462
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,260
the early 60s with the youth movement it

1463
01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:31,600
was more geared toward the anti-war

1464
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:34,660
movement and then in a kind of

1465
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:37,540
back-to-the-land type of thing getting

1466
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:40,150
off the grid then the drugs came into it

1467
01:12:47,670 --> 01:12:43,630
and kind of seemed like an undermined

1468
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:47,680
first with the acid and I think

1469
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:51,760
in some ways the that generation was

1470
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:54,910
some people were able to take the acid

1471
01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:57,610
out away from the spooks and kind of

1472
01:13:01,770 --> 01:12:59,530
illuminate their minds and find some

1473
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:01,780
truth but you know the heavier drugs

1474
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:05,490
came in and all this kind of really

1475
01:13:11,940 --> 01:13:08,620
undermined and took the movement in a

1476
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:11,950
different direction and maybe that was

1477
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:16,300
the ultimate goal you know and so I

1478
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:20,350
forget where exactly I was going with

1479
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:22,690
all this but research researcher John

1480
01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:27,130
judge claimed that the type of acid that

1481
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:29,080
the Madison Lloyd's were given was not

1482
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:31,240
your typical acid it was the

1483
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:34,210
quote-unquote military acid he actually

1484
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,570
had a derivative of psilocybin I talked

1485
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:43,120
to John judge and tried to find exactly

1486
01:13:47,850 --> 01:13:44,940
where he gets some of his information

1487
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:47,860
sometimes I'm not sure but that was his

1488
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:49,660
contention that they were given the

1489
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:53,650
military acid and that there was they

1490
01:13:59,580 --> 01:13:56,050
had a Naval Intelligence handler and

1491
01:14:02,040 --> 01:13:59,590
actually Paul Krassner used to publish

1492
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:02,050
the realist wrote a whole story about

1493
01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:06,060
this for Rolling Stone magazine about

1494
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:09,430
the Manson family were infiltrated by

1495
01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:11,170
this naval intelligence guy and they

1496
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:12,600
actually named him

1497
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:16,530
Nathaniel Dyck rolling stone Lieber got

1498
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:21,790
sued and retracted the story so I mean

1499
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,400
the more you look the deeper you look

1500
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:26,560
into all this stuff it's like the less

1501
01:14:34,830 --> 01:14:31,180
she really sure about anything Amen man

1502
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:34,840
and with that said it's probably as good

1503
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:37,330
a places ever to call it a day but I had

1504
01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:39,010
a great time talking to you I really

1505
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:40,870
like your attitude and the books you

1506
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:42,820
sent me were awesome the collection of

1507
01:14:46,590 --> 01:14:44,710
your articles in the Beast of Adam go

1508
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:46,600
Riley and Happy Trails too high

1509
01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:50,110
weirdness or awesome reads and you're

1510
01:14:54,540 --> 01:14:52,420
also a musician and this will mark the

1511
01:14:56,490 --> 01:14:54,550
first time on thde guest has played us

1512
01:14:58,170 --> 01:14:56,500
out of their own interview is there

1513
01:14:59,820 --> 01:14:58,180
anything coming up that we should keep

1514
01:15:01,560 --> 01:14:59,830
an all-seeing eye on or something you'd

1515
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:01,570
like to mention to the people

1516
01:15:09,450 --> 01:15:05,230
I am working on a JFK assassination book

1517
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:09,460
and nothing more than that I just want

1518
01:15:15,839 --> 01:15:14,110
to plug again to make my publisher happy

1519
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:15,849
they've done a great job with Happy

1520
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:18,010
Trails the hi weirdness a conspiracy

1521
01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:21,550
theorists the tour guide so if you're

1522
01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:24,219
going to look into one of my books why

1523
01:15:29,879 --> 01:15:27,190
don't you buy that one yeah and that is

1524
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:29,889
a good one because as I'm getting into

1525
01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:31,480
this stuff I start to think and with

1526
01:15:35,550 --> 01:15:32,920
this show I'm like me and I wish I could

1527
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:35,560
get more connected to the community or

1528
01:15:41,250 --> 01:15:38,170
at least go to more conferences like the

1529
01:15:43,649 --> 01:15:41,260
conspiracy con stuff like that and your

1530
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:43,659
book is really a narrative of those

1531
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,290
kinds of events and conferences and yeah

1532
01:15:51,209 --> 01:15:48,960
it's it's really interesting it's great

1533
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:51,219
well thank you and thanks for having me

1534
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:53,530
on yeah of course man and what's your

1535
01:16:00,180 --> 01:15:56,500
website Adam go Riley calm yeah there's

1536
01:16:02,609 --> 01:16:00,190
that and I kind of have a goofy blog

1537
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:02,619
that doesn't have much to do with

1538
01:16:11,819 --> 01:16:06,730
conspiracy but I have anyway that's go

1539
01:16:13,890 --> 01:16:11,829
rightly at wordpress.com or I feature a

1540
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:13,900
devil girl of the month and a crazy

1541
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:16,690
Bongo broad of the week and I could a

1542
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:19,449
kooky Christian album cover so that's

1543
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:24,730
kind of just a fun thing there and then

1544
01:16:32,609 --> 01:16:27,790
those who do Facebook they can Facebook

1545
01:16:35,459 --> 01:16:32,619
me all night take on any new friends and

1546
01:16:37,979 --> 01:16:35,469
so yeah that's kind of my presence on

1547
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:37,989
the web there and that thanks for

1548
01:16:45,089 --> 01:16:41,040
playing some of my music I'm trying to

1549
01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:45,099
start focusing on that a bit more - all

1550
01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:47,380
right go rightly it's been a great chat

1551
01:16:50,490 --> 01:16:49,060
I hope I can have you on again and talk

1552
01:16:52,979 --> 01:16:50,500
about some of the other subjects in your

1553
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:52,989
repertoire you know I wish you well stay

1554
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:53,650
weird man

1555
01:16:59,959 --> 01:16:57,280
okay thanks great and good work all

1556
01:17:03,180 --> 01:16:59,969
right man take it easy okay later

1557
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:03,190
people check out Adams book and website

1558
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:06,400
and he's a cool guy when this airs the

1559
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:08,500
election will be over and it won't mean

1560
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,050
[\h__\h] hopefully you feel compelled to

1561
01:17:15,419 --> 01:17:12,880
vote for Gary Johnson and my previous

1562
01:17:16,949 --> 01:17:15,429
guest Jim Gray or more important

1563
01:17:19,290 --> 01:17:16,959
they compelled to vote for the higher

1564
01:17:23,489 --> 01:17:19,300
side chats and the podcast Awards at

1565
01:17:26,219 --> 01:17:23,499
podcast awards calm I really really want

1566
01:17:28,919 --> 01:17:26,229
to win and if you liked this show please

1567
01:17:30,899 --> 01:17:28,929
go and vote I need this in my life

1568
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:30,909
later in the week Nick Redfern will be

1569
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:32,590
back to talk about his new book the

1570
01:17:36,209 --> 01:17:35,050
world's weirdest places that should be a

1571
01:17:38,699 --> 01:17:36,219
fun conversation

1572
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:38,709
so here's Adam go write Lee himself with

1573
01:17:43,979 --> 01:17:41,650
the song the new prophet on his album

1574
01:17:44,879 --> 01:17:43,989
transmissions from a dying planet that's

1575
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:44,889
a great name

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01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:47,170
remember conspiracies Dannette fraud

1577
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conspiracy clothing needs we will have

1578
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two shirts out very soon that are new

1579
01:18:14,520 --> 01:17:55,209
and awesome and I'm great Karl wood I

1580
01:18:14,530 --> 01:18:21,070
whoa

1581
01:18:21,080 --> 01:19:06,270
Oh

1582
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:13,850
to the ground

1583
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:20,560
see you sweetheart

1584
01:19:20,570 --> 01:19:28,620
the

1585
01:19:28,630 --> 01:20:04,229
Oh

1586
01:20:04,239 --> 01:21:16,540
ha